
Oh, there’s a fuckton of guys who could be on here, but only the truly worthy few will find their way onto this, the most coveted of lists. See, the QB position in itself is overrated…until you find yourself rooting for a team led by Ken Dorsey or Bruce Gradkowski that scores all of ZERO fucking offensive TD’s in the last SIX fucking games of the year…not that that has happened to me or anything.
There are a select few teams that are blessed with truly great QB’s. The only TRULY great QB’s in the NFL anymore are Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Drew Brees, but even then, those guys are simply the figureheads for an overall unit that’s responsible for their success. If the QB position itself wasn’t overrated, then why would Drew Brees, who put up one of the most absurd years in NFL history last year, miss the playoffs? Why would Brady go down and the Patriots still manage to go 11-5?
The bottom line is football is the ultimate team game and ANY mention of team statistics when evaluating a QB’s worth is simply foolhardy, something we’ll touch on a few times throughout the course of this diatribe. But before we get to the meat, lets see who missed the cut.
- Joe Flacco, BAL: A rookie who got a lot of praise for his “poise” and “coolness in the pocket” all while exhibiting the ACTUAL skill set of a retarded goat. Accumulating the bulk of his stats against porous defenses like the Browns, Bengals and Jags, Flacco’s every flaw was exposed in the AFC Championship Game against the Steelers in a glorious display of single-browed goodness.
- Eli Manning, NYFF: Lets put it this way…he PLAYS like Peyton Manning’s little brother. Yes, he has a ring, but lets not pretend that he was some great catalyst for that team or anything. One of these days it has to click, but…I’m not holding my breath.
Kerry Collins, TEN: Can someone explain how this performance gets you into the Pro Bowl?
More after the jump.
5. David Garrard, JAX: This guy got a huge contract as a reward for throwing a bunch of dumpoff passes and having the lowest Yards Per Attempt of any starter in the league in 2007. Because he didn’t attempt more than a handful of passes more than 10 yards downfield, his QB rating was extremely high and he threw almost no INT’s, leading people to believe he was some super accurate game manager who could read a defense like a book. In reality? He was a mildly accurate QB with no balls who threw a collection of slants, screens and hooks and got a bunch of YAC’s thanks to his WR’s. This was proven true last year and, yet the Jags aren’t persuing Mike Vick even though Vick is more accurate, mobile and dangerous.
4. Carson Palmer, CIN: He’s supposedly an elite QB who…never plays because he’s got a vagina. Palmer has all the tools to be a top-flight QB. Great arm, great touch and accuracy and can read a defense, but the only time those things are truly positives IS WHEN YOU’RE ON THE FUCKING FIELD. And even then, there were times he looked disinterested and bored on the field.
Now? He’s coming off an injury to his throwing arm that he chose not to get surgery on in the offseason, yet still missed 75% of the 2008 season. Wait…WHAT!??!?!?! Let’s just hope Palmer is as accurate as advertised because if he’s not, he’s going to be nothing more than a sitting duck behind a shitty line throwing floaters over the middle.
3. Donovan McNabb, PHI: Two reasons…one, nothing is as good as accumulating shitty stats against bad defenses while throwing eleventy billion times per game. There were three QB’s who attempted more drop backs (passes, sacks and bad snaps are included) than McNabb…Brees (4,962 yards), Kurt Warner (4,476) and Jay Cutler (4,530). McNabb’s total? 3,816 yards…how the hell does a guy who throws the ball almost 600 times get that few yards?
The other reason? While I’m a man who loves him some objective information when evaluating players, McNabb also fails the eyeball test. How many times have we seen him fuck up in big spots? Remember his little puking episode in the Super Bowl? Yea me too…and his reaction? Fucking priceless. Instead of owning up to his fuckery by admitting he was nervous, he instead runs his best target out of town, fucking his team over in the process all while continuing to be injury prone and gaining weight. Yea…model QB, that McNabb.
2. Tony Romo, Dallas: This one is easy as fuck. Surrounded by the best roster money can buy, given total control and celebrity status while not actually accomplishing anything, Romo has been about as mediocre as possible. Actually, instead of ripping on Romo, I’ll just throw up a video that pretty much sums up Romo’s career in a nutshell.
1. Ben Roethlisberger, PIT: This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that actually watches football. According to the brilliant minds at Football Outsiders (a few of whom are Steeler fans themselves, so you know they’re objective), Big Ben was the 23rd best QB in the NFL last season. Looking at his stats, they look nice enough until you realize that he had a really low YPA and didn’t throw for many yards meaning he didn’t give his WR’s an opportunity to make plays after the catch. He didn’t throw for a lot of TD’s either, meaning what exactly, did he do?
Now, I will admit that his Super Bowl winning drive was an impressive collection of great plays, but at the same time, where was that great play earlier in the game? Why is it THAT much more impressive when, if he pulled his head out of his ass in the first part of the game, they wouldn’t NEED a late drive to put away a big underdog? This is the problem I have with Big Ben…he simply doesn’t produce points like other QB’s, and if he were paired with a defense EVEN MARGINALLY less stingy, his inability to get his team yards and points would be exposed.
Steeler fans will no doubt say that the crappy OL has something to do with his lack of production, but I say, “does it really?” Peyton Manning’s OL last year was patchwork at best…he had injuries all across the line, and his backside was being protected by a guy who started the year as a backup GUARD…yet he still put in an MVP season because he’s a GREAT QB. Ben? Ben, behind an OL Manning would’ve killed for, decided to hang onto the ball for what seemed like decades, making his shitty OL have to do that much more, and then got sacked as much as any QB in the NFL. Sacks kill momentum and put your offense in a bad place…and Ben takes a LOT of sacks. Way to go!!!
But lets get away from that, for a second…
A QB’s job is to direct his team into the endzone, something Big Ben doesn’t do well at all. In fact, according to FO, Big Ben was actually 2.2% WORSE than a replacement player when adjusted for the defenses faced. Yet, not only is this guy revered, but he was given a NINE-FIGURE CONTRACT. Let that sink in for a second…Ben Roethlisberger, a QB who doesn’t get yards or points, and is actually worse than a league average replacement QB, gets over $100 million…and I’M the idiot?
Big Ben, without question, is the single most overrated player in the NFL today. He is not a good QB. He has his moments of competency, but if you watch his entire body of work, this becomes evident almost right off the bat. And now he’s embroiled in a rape case…this is a guy that 31 other teams in the NFL would look at and say, “no fucking thanks,” but God forbid you tell Steeler fans that. Then again, that’s the fanbase that thinks Terry Bradshaw was a good QB too…




I’m stunned that fat ben is #1. Stunned…
/sincere
McNabb didn’t run TO out of town, but sure, I’ll give it to you.
i don’t think you’re sincere at all, hef.
I heard something about Carl Crawford being a quarterback once. True story.
Saw an interesting stat the other day. Over the past four seasons, Brett Favre leads all NFL QBs in 4th quarter interceptions thrown while his team is down by one score or less, with like 16 or something. Second on the list? Roethlisfatso with 8.
But Ben has 1.5 Super Bowl rings.
/I’m sure the refs in the Seattle game were compensated 0.5 rings.
/kicks dirt at spence
//runs away crying
Where’s Peyton? All that “talent” and only 1 ring? What a fraud!
Ben Roethlisberger? More like Ben Faglisberger.
/or Ben Turdbergler
//Timmy’d
///Remember Timmy?
that’s a 4-12 team without peyton. calling him overrated is as close to laughable as it gets…he is, truly, the greatest pure QB of all time.
Don’t be a jerk, clown. Do you know how much adversity that team has faced?
sorry, I meant to put:
I totally blame Peyton for Nick Harper’s wife being crazy as fuck and Mike Vanderdrunk being shitty, and, well, probably drunk.
/clown
clown…good call. fuxin stiller fans…
I tend to think he is underrated since half the world buries him at any given moment because he is not Peyton but he is an above average quarterback. He is not his brother and never will be. I would love him to be Terry Bradshaw, a QB with a great running game who can win games when he has to. As for clicking, this may be the year. While Plaxico was the key to the Giant offense, I think Eli is more comfortable not having to get one person the ball. He can just spread it out, not think and hit the open guy. The running game will pile up the yards the Eli will just win games. I don’t give a shit what list he is on quite frankly, I just want the Giants to win and he is capable of leading that team to victory.
/dick joke
/Hef’s Gay
/Bear Hands
/Hef is Really gay
/sorry for the serious comment
agree with everything you said roman, including the prediction.
but rivers > eli…sorry.
and in full disclosure, my top 5.
1. peyton
2. brady
3. brees
4. cutler
5. warner
I thought you hated Warner.
5b. tarvaris jackson
/quietly sobs in corner and eyeballs rusty razor blade
fuck no…i love warner.
Can Matt Ryan get some love for honorable mention? He’s no different then Joe Flucco.
no…ryan is WAY, WAY, WAY ahead of flacco…ryan had 1,000 more yards in FEWER drop backs.
He was about 500 yards ahead of Flucco, but regardless I try not too look too much into stats. I just know they both sucked ass against real defenses.
adjusted yards…i was going by FO link above.
Spencer..I agree Rivers is better than Eli but I am also of the opinion Rivers would be a disaster in NY…you need to be an unemotional rube to deal with the NY media…Eli throws 4 picks an its gosh, golly, trying..blah blah blah…Philip throws 4 picks he would throw half his team under the bus, bitch cry, walk out and make it a bigger deal than it is…he would be devoured…there are some positions where it doesn’t matter where you play you will be fine, QB in NY is a different animal
I see now.
I like gobbledegook formulas less than I like regular stats. Anytime you start putting stats through big equations you get mumbo jumbo. I could come up with all sorts of fancy weather adjusted, dome adjusted, schedule adjusted and type of offense adjusted formulas and crank out stats that land Chad Pennington in the top 6 of qbs even though his offense was better off when a RB was taking the snaps.
Lets see, Brady Quinn and his homoerotic ways, Derek Anderson and his inability to complete a pass, or Ben Rothelisberger? No wander Browns fans are dumbfucks rooting for a shitstained team.
roman speaks the truth.
Garrard is fucking horrible.
i disrespectfully disagree…what you like taking things at face value? do you buy a car without seeing how many miles it has on it just because the paint looks good?
those stats are CRUCIAL for evaluating a QB’s performance. is derek anderson worse than jake delhomme? if you look at stats, yes. if you realize DA faced balt and pit 2x per year along with the NFC East and AFC South…then not even close. defense adjusted stats are mandatory. the DA example was a bad one because DA would suck no matter what, but you can’t just take QB stats at face value when there are so many variables included.
wow…AWESOME comment, farva.
please, if anyone knows what bad QB play looks like it’s browns fans. and fortunately for you, i can apply my expertise to every other team in the league.
go lick roethlisberger’s fleshy fun bridge steelers fan.
Has anyone ever considered either of these two QBs good? I don’t get it.
asking a steelers fan to look at things using logic and reasoning is like asking the sun to rise in the west…not happening.
I think this bears repeating. Roethlisbozo = 8 4th quarter interceptions when trailing by one score or less. The only thing Shittsburgh fans had to hang their hat on was his supposed “clutchness”. Well, that don’t exactly exist cha cha.
I’m not taking the stats at face value. I looked at their perfomances, saw that they both sucked a fatty (dick not blunt) againt good defenses and came to the conclusion that they are at the same level – average ass qbs. Both got their “props” throughout the year because their teams were winning, not because they were shredding respectable defenses.
“Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback’s performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage”
Those are all un-controlled variables, which makes coming up with a dependable formula impossible. Taking this DYAR at face value is no different than taking “regular” stats at face value.
Oh and yes, Derek Anderson is certainly worse than Jake Dehlomme. But why compare a poop to a turd anyway?
taking the advanced stats at face value is a lot better than going off of regular stats because there’s more variables accounted for.
i agree that the eyeball test is the best way to go about it, but big ben fails that too. matt ryan passes considering the amount of responsibility that was on his shoulders while flacco was a a down’s syndrome trent dilfer handing off and letting the D score points.
and i like comparing poops…i have a scat thing going on.
Well Spence this was in response to your comment about every other organization in the NFL not wanting Rothelisberger. He’s not the best, but he is better than most other starting QB’s out there. If the Browns would say no to him then a river would catch fire. Oops, thats already happened in Cleveland, my bad.
did i say that? when? you got a link? if so, i’ll delightfully recant because he’s still better than at least half the QB’s in the league, but he’s nothing special.
Now there is something we can agree on.
Here’s another: Steeler fans can suck it.
Ryan has a lot tougher schedule this year than last year so if he puts together a good year I’ll come around.
Yep Spence you said it, last paragraph of your post…”this is a guy that 31 other teams in the NFL would look at and say, “no fucking thanks,”..
Sorry for the late post, but been away since Friday and just checked in before Monday.
well howabout that…
hyperbole is a bitch.