Why do I care, ESPN? Hmm?
I don’t. It’s not because I have anything against Tony Dungy, the man, I think he’s great, it’s just that why should I give a shit that he’s giving up his 15 hour days to relax and chill? And let me ask you this…why haven’t we done the same thing for Mike Holmgren who’s also retiring this year with an arguably better resume?
See, Tony Dungy, the man, is totally cool, but Tony Dungy, the coach left a shitload to be desired. Tony Dungy, the coach, thrived on an extremely simple defensive scheme and couldn’t get a complimentary offense until he started working with Peyton Manning. It’s not that Tony Dungy didn’t have a lot to do with the Colts’ success but, seriously, it’s Peyton Manning’s show and Dungy was nothing more than a glorified defensive coordinator, sorry, but it’s true.
Why are we celebrating a man’s retirement who was a historic underachiever? Because he’s nice? Because he gives a good quote? The Colts team of the last decade has been so loaded with talent and skill and has the best QB in the history of the league and what does that get them? A bunch of one-and-done’s? ONE Super Bowl which happened during the ONE year where Tony did things differently? Shouldn’t that have shown him something, that his way of doing things was wrong? That a football team needs some kind of rhythm and momentum heading into the playoffs?
Instead? Two consecutive years where a LOADED Colts team gets booted out after their first playoff game.
Celebrate Tony Dungy, the man…Tony Dungy, the coach, should not get that same recognition.
So…What happened last night?
Toronto 109, Boston 115: God, both these teams suck. First off…how can you leave Paul Pierce wide open on numerous plays in crunch time and then fucking triple team him and leave every other fucking Celtic open? Jesus tapdancing Christ, PLAY SOME FUCKING DEFENSE, Toronto. And KG…stop doing your stupid little press conference joking around when you can’t even shoot 50% with Chris Bosh “guarding” you. I hate both these teams with a passion.
Some other stuff happened…
Completely agreed. Kevin Garnett is a bitch.
KG was high after the game the whole Superman thing was funny.
Dungy retired, Holmgren resigned. That is your difference with the two.
He underachieved? He has a ring. Marty-ball is an underachiever, you all of people should know that. Didn’t Dungy turn around the most putrid franchise in the history of the NFL prior to the mid 90s? Spencer, you are so wrong on this one. WRONG WRONG WRONG. Nothing you say can be right. WRONG!
I don’t see a difference b/w resigning and retiring.
Both could come back to a different team tomorrow.
Holmgren made it to 3 Superbowls (won 1), and he rebuilt the previously awful franchise in Seattle. He didn’t lay many first round eggs, either.
But since he’s on the West Coast, he gets a passing mention.
I agree with sparty. Tony Dungy is my favorite NFL coach, Toronto plays defense, and KG and Pierce are my favorite basketball players.
Nick, I also think Holmgren’s Super Bowl is thought to be Favre’s even though it was really Reggie White’s. But I don’t think enough credit is given to guys that rebuild two franchises or more…I find what Fatcells, Holmgren and Dungy have done to be quite an achievement considering how rarely that happens.
NickP- Seattle wasn’t the building project that Tampa Bay was. Please, let’s not even compare the two.
Dungy could, but won’t it highly unlikely that he will ever comeback.
Holmgren already said he was taking a year off, basically saying that he was coming back at some point, as early as the 2010 season.
Nick. Dye for Figgins? I dont think Figgins is good at all. What do you think?
Did that happen, Bo? Or rumors?
Rumors but more likley than that horrible Dye for Bailey trade rumor.
WTF do the Angels need another OF for?
They already have Vlad, Torii, Matthews, Willits, and Juan Rivera.
They would probably try to move Matthews if they make that deal.
Nick here is the link:
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/85130-angels-white-sox-trade-brewing?eref=fromSI
The prayer around here is that Dungy becomes coach for the the Vikes in 2010. I don’t think that’s going to happen.
Sparty: He rebuilt the Packers, too.
6 years before he got there: 4-12, 5-9, 4-12, 10-6, 6-10, 4-12…that’s awful.
The six years before Dungy got to TB, they were: 6-10, 3-13, 5-11, 5-11, 6-10, and 7-9.
33 wins for Pack, 32 for TB. Both franchises were “putrid.”
sparty…you’re damn right dungy underachieved. lets see…he had one of the best defenses of the decade in TB…won jack. he had THE GREATEST QB OF ALL TIME and a great defense in indy and did what? get raped annually by belichick and make something happen ONCE? that’s an underachiever, especially considering his regular season record.
and yes, marty is an underachiever too, but why are you bringing him up?
Nick- come on many, you gotta go further back than that. They were the Tampa Bay Yucks. Look at all the QBs that played there and didn’t have success, but they all did elsewhere.
Ron Wolf had a lot more to do with success in GB.
Spencer I understand youre bitter because youre a Browns fan but dont bring down Tony with you.
Belichick > Dungy, agree. does not mean that he is an underachiever, it means he went up against one of the greatest coaches and greatest dynasties and only beat them once.
sparty…then bill polian had more to do with success in Indy seeing as he was the one who drafted freeney, mathis, sanders, etc.
and who’s to “blame” for holmgren’s success in seattle and bringing them back from mediocrity?
sparty…then how do you explain consecutive playoff losses to NORV FUCKING TURNER?
Norv Turner has been a overachiever.
Norv Turner > Marty-Ball.
I never said Holmgren wasn’t great. He just isn’t getting the treatment that Dungy is because he has already said that he is going to coach again.
sparty…first the hate on shanahan and now the dungy love?
i smell a blog war…who’s gonna draw first blood?
just wait for the piece we are running on Dungy…
you guys gonna blow him like damon hack did at SI today?
“oh, he’s such a nice guy we’ll just ignore the fact that he squandered more talent than almost any other coach in NFL history.”
Shaun King was such a talent, along with Anthony Reidel.
you’re kidding, right?
What the fuck does it matter who started at QB for Tampa Bay 6 years before Dungy got there?
dead serious, they were awesome.
CRM-not sure what the point of that question was. my point was that good coaches went there and couldn’t win with any of the talent there. Dungy changed the entire franchise.
they had 1 winning season in history, 1 in 20 years before Dungy arrived.
Things I also enjoy – showing all-time records between franchises as if the 1969 ALCS has some has anything to do with the Twins playing the Orioles 40 years later.
What an incredible job Dungy did signing on to coach Peyton Manning as he was entering his prime. No one else could have take the Colts to the playoffs under such adversity.
dungy DID change the entire franchise, and im not saying he was a shitty coach by any means (tho it sounds taht way)…but he WAS a historic underachiever considering the talent he had.
instead of shaun king i was thinking about sapp, brooks, barber, lynch, simeon rice, peyton, freeney, sanders, mathis, harrison, wayne, clark, etc. you know, guys with hall of fame credentials.
QBs are overrated as a motherfuck.
/CRM and NickP
Coaches make HOFers, not the other way around. Too bad Bert Blyleven didn’t play under Tony Dungy or he’d be in the HOF right now.
/sparty
/and Hef
So Peyton had not entered his prime in 2001 when Indy went 6-10?
/Playoffs? PLAYOFFS?!?
I find that motherfucks are quite underrated actually
Depends on the mother.
sparty…nope, peyton wasn’t in his prime yet in 2001.
Unless you’re Tampa. Then it depends on nothing.
2001, after making the Playoffs two consecutive years Edge was hurt and played only 6 games.
2002 – Dungy arrives, Edge starts 14 games and Dwight Freeney is drafted and they return to the playoffs. It’s all about coaches and QB’s.
CRM-they were second in the league in pts and yards with Edge out in 2001.
Also in 2002, the divisions were redone and the Colts were moved out of the AFC East and didn’t have to play the Patriots twice a season.
What CRM is implying is that the Patriots are the greatest football team evar.
/nice work intern
A Browns fan saying a coach who won a Super Bowl and had two losing seasons in his career underacheived.
High comedy.
Do people not understand how hard it is to win a Super Bowl? The guy turned around 2 franchises, and people want to shit on him. So fucking dumb.
because me being a browns fan means i can’t have an unbiased opinion on another coach? that makes no sense, cbh.
and +1 hef.
I don’t get it, what do you want from the guy, was he supposed to win a Super Bowl every season?
As a Browns fan you should understand how hard success is to achieve, you almost more than anyone should appreciate how successful Dungy was because your team is a perpetual loser.
spencer- you can have an unbiased opinion. it is just wrong.
yea, it’s hard to win a SB…we know this.
what we don’t understand is how you can have multiple HoF’ers at key positions and not even be in the conversation because you were knocked out of the first round by norv turner twice, thoroughly outcoached in epic proportions by your peer who, despite the difficulty of winning a SB won three of them, and couldn’t put an all-time great D over the hump in TB.
he’s a VERY GOOD coach…but he underachieved. i find it laughable that people give him a pass for not wining more with the outrageous rosters he was gifted.
if the browns had half the rosters that dungy was given, i can guarantee they wouldn’t be perpetual losers.
i still cannot for the life of me understand why you’re bringing the browns into this argument at all. they are not relevant, me being a browns fan is not relevant.
so if he wins one more SB, he would not be an underachiever in your book?
sparty…if he had another SB, he wouldn’t be an underachiever in my opinion because that probably erases either a NORV TURNER ousting or not getting de-pantsed by belichick.
seriously…NORV TURNER beat him twice in the playoffs…yet this isn’t an issue at all.
So is Jeff Fisher is a shitty coach to you because he lost to Norv in the playoffs?
Or let me amend that, an underacheiver?
ok, Bill Parcells is an underachiever then. His talent never really changed in NY. He should have won 3 or 4 SBs with the Giants.
Call the police, I agree with CBH on so many levels.
CBH- Sal Palontonio thinks that Jeff Fisher is overrated. He also says Barry Sander is.
Sal Palontonio is a placenta. Fuck that guy. He knows shit and shouldn’t be on TV or the Radio.
sparty…you can’t compare parcells and dungy. parcells made the personnel calls.
cbh…if jeff fisher HAD FUCKING PEYTON MANNING throwing to the colts’ targets, then yes, he’d be an underachiever. but losing when you have that crappy assemblage of offesnive talent going against that defense isn’t anything to be ashamed of.
jeff fisher has always done more with less talent. dungy has been given top talent and not maximized that.
not in NY, spencer. that is why he left.
But spencer, Peyton Manning is a QB. That position is overrated as a motherfuck.
sparty…i realize that was his situation in NYC, still don’t think you can compare the two. dungy rebuilt one franchise and stepped into a tailor made situation for the other. parcells built 3 from the ground up and is on his fourth and is on a totally different plane…you could give him a ring for his part with the pats’ win in 2001 and you have to attribute dallas’ roster to him as well (sans TO and roy e. williams).
ttwo totally different circumstances.
Happy…i hope you’re being sarcastic.
TAMPA FRIGGIN BAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nope I’m being completely serious. Can’t you tell by the look on my face?
huh? so we can give Dungy a ring for Tampa’s 2002 win. Gotcha!
ooo…got me there. you bastard.